Hey, it's me Chrys! I know you work with TV RAGE, so I was wondering... can you due the summaries for my new wiki Hit The Floor Wiki? It has only two episodes and I need some help. Can you offer a helping hand?
Without knowing when you're on, chatting privately to resolve the issues staff here has raised and continues to raise publicly is kinda pointless. Either let me know some general times when you're going to be on over the holiday weekend, let me know what your email is, let me know if I can give you my email, or get my email from my profile and email me. Thanks!
Well, it will be a week tomorrow and nothing from you. I think seven days is more than reasonable so if you don't give me a contact time, we'll have to move on from there if we don't resolve the issues. Thanks!
The crediting is fine. However, if you look down below under "Welcome to AlphasWiki" on my wall here, you'll see I had a few issues that were of concern to us at TVRage. And one or two that have come up since. It's the post where I said, "At this point, it's so confusing that I'd like to get a few issues resolved before I grant permission." More than that, I can't say since you don't want me to comment publicly on the situation. :)
I'll be glad to discuss them privately with you, but to do that apparently I'll either need to catch you on chat, and we're both busy people. So I need a good time to reach you. Will you be on Saturday night, 6 - 10 pm central?
Or we can do it via email. Can you get my email from my profile? Or can I get yours from your profile? I don't anticipate it will take too long either way.
I thought we did have it resolved. LovelyChrys seemed to think I was "mad" for some reason. Granted, Internet writing is a poor conveyer of tone. However, I'm quite happy to have the recaps reposted here as long as myself and TVRage are credited to our satisfaction, and no one else is taking credit for writing them. The most recent summary is almost satisfactory. If it included my alias on TVRage of Gadfly, it would be perfect. It could also be moved to the bottom as Manikworld suggested--I have no desire to see it listed that blatantly!
I only removed them, with LovelyChrys' express permission, because I had understood that she didn't want to credit us in exchange for posting them here. Which is also perfectly reasonable.
It got confusing when I removed them like she said and then she put them back and protected the pages so that, as far as I can tell, no one can edit the pages. Or maybe it's just me, although it sure looks like a universal block to me.
I'm not sure what you mean. I work on plenty of wikis. If someone is posting stuff you don't want them to post, you lock them out. Or you talk to them. Or both. You don't lock everyone out. You're right, that's why you have talk pages: so you don't have to lock pages.
Also, the only pages you locked were the ones I removed the recaps from. After you told me to do it.
Greetings. You might check to see what I did edit on her wall. If my recaps are going to be posted here, I'd rather post them myself with proper credit rather than have someone else do it. ;) TVRage.com has first rights to my work.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your response. Are you saying that I can't edit in that section and add my own recaps, as I offered to do? I have made no effort to edit my summaries posted here, and at no point have I said that would. But you haven't said what you are going to do with all of the material of mine you are using here. If you don't wish to credit myself and TVRage, I'd please ask that you remove them immediately. You can then get your own recaps at your convenience. Thanks!
LovelyChrys has decided to use recaps from another site and submit them here. On her wall she claimed that she writes them. ("Well, like I said, I write the summaries.") We at the site, TVRage, simply ask that both the site and the author receive credit. ("If you want to credit TVRage and myself when you post them, in a manner we find satisfactory...")
As you can see from above, LovelyChrys acknowledged that the summaries were not hers, said I should take them down, and she would get different summaries. ("Well, we'll get our own recaps.") However, when I did so, she then put them back up, protected them from being edited, and didn't give us proper credit. Except for the most recent episode, Alphaville, and she only credited the site, not the author as well. We appreciate the partial credit, but it doesn't jibe with what she said she'd do (get other recaps) or what we asked her to do in return for using our work (crediting site and author).
Since she told me to take them down and then when we did so, she put them back up, you can see why I'm confused.
Speaking on behalf of TVRage as a site administrator there, we ask that we receive what we consider a satisfactory credit and link to the site and the author. If that doesn't happen, we please ask that the recaps that have been acknowledged to be ours be removed from here.
Since you were the one who welcomed me here, Manikworld, I thought you might be able to clarify. Thanks!
So I'm a bit confused as to what's going on here. TVRage is glad to support the Alpha wiki and we're trying to cooperate. We've worked out arrangements with other wikis to use our recaps. But we're getting mixed messages here. We're told we can take down the recaps, but then that's undone. We're told you don't need our recaps and then will get others, but ours keep popping up here. So you can understand why we're confused. :)
I didn't delete everything off of Gaslight. I deleted the summary, only the summary, with her permission, because the summary was one that I wrote. See above where she says, "How about you take them done, don't ever edit the summaries.... and ah, call it a day? :)" I took them down. She said I could take them down. After I removed only my recap, everything else for Gaslight was still on the page. So what's the problem?
Can you add the link to TVRage and my name to the five current recaps of mine? That would be fine, although I'd like to be sure it's going to happen and not have to come back every week to check as new episodes come out.
And "You may not submit content to the Service that you did not create or that you not have permission to submit."
Yada yada, etc. etc. :) TVRage commissions my copyrighted work so it reflects badly on me if it appears elsewhere without my credit and theirs. When I offered to give permission, LovelyChrys said no, I should delete my recaps, she'd create her own recaps and submit them, and case closed. That's what I thought, until I came back here and checked. :(
So as the head admin, can you resolve this situation? Thanks!
Meanwhile, have you checked and confirmed that I didn't delete everything on those pages: just my own recaps, and after getting permission from LovelyChrys?
At this point, it's so confusing that I'd like to get a few issues resolved before I grant permission.
1) The pages are still protected/locked/whatever. Are they supposed to be? You said earlier that they shouldn't be. There are cast and quotes missing from the pages, and it's difficult for me to be a contributing member of the community if I (and everyone else?) is locked out.
2) As I noted elsewhere, it seems easier if I simply put in the recaps here as soon as I finish them at TVRage. But I get the impression my participation in the site isn't wanted: just someone else copying recaps. :) I certainly have more to contribute than that.
3) Why the odd treatment? I received permission to remove my summaries, but then they were put back and was locked out. What's up with that?
4) Why did LovelyChrys say that she would get her own summaries from now on, but then copy another one of mine for Alphaville?
There are five summaries: Quick and the Dead, Alpha Dogs, When Push Comes to Shove, Gaslight, Alphaville. Once the issues above are resolved, each of them should say, "Written by Gadfly, reposted with permission of TVRage," and that text forming a link to the recap page on TVRage. (A Google search by title, site, and Recap should give you each link.) You can put that at the bottom of each summary.
Chrys are you 12? I mean really. He has been nothing but understanding and you continue to rant. Does the phrase LEGAL OBLIGATION mean anything at all to you? Do EXACTLY what he requested or take the stuff down.
Gadfly I urge you to withdraw your permission entirely. Force them to remove everything of yours. This is stupid. And a waste of my time. TVrage you say? Off to find some sanity.
"Written by Gadfly at TVRage." at the bottom of the recaps, with a link to the recap at TVRage, would be sufficient. On any future recaps taken as well.
And in fairness, I probably wouldn't have asked for credit at all except that LovelyChrys said they were hers. Given that, I don't think I'm being unreasonable. To protect my copyright and make sure I am properly credited, I do need that "spotlight."I believe that's my decision to make, not hers. If you don't want to do so, please remove my recaps. Thanks!
"some edits just don't need to be done". Right now, no edits can be done. Umm, right?